Reason's Greetings

autumn-faery:

christiantheatheist:

autumn-faery:

First off, yea there is no concrete evidence for god. BUT there is so much more to being an atheist (or actually deconverting from a religion) than just that.

So if there was scientific proof for god, what kind of god would it be? Would it be the Christian god, the Muslim god, or maybe even a bunch of gods (i.e. Hindu gods)? Don’t be so quick to say you’d be a strong gospel spreading god-follower of the Christian bible, Koran, etc. You need to know which god is the true god first.

Ok. Let’s take a step further. What if the Christian/Muslim/Jewish god was real? Or any other “all-mighty” god for that matter? I’m going to use the Christian god as an example because I was a former christian. What if the christian god really said and did all the acts committed in the bible? Would you consider him a moral god? This god who says one thing and does another. This god who would send people to hell just because they’re not “inlove” with him or because they question his ways. This god who commands that people should not murder, yet orders slaughtering of men, women, and children in the old testament. So. So just because he’s real, you would become his zealous follower? You can’t see for yourself the moral wrongs of this god? Would you be afraid to rebel? I believe it would just be out of fear that you follow him. It is irrational for you to think that this god is right and just.

Even if there was scientific evidence for a supreme and powerful deity, why would you worship it when this deity doesn’t seem to care about the world it has created? When it hasn’t abolished suffering or save those who are crying out from pain. People who suffer, cry out to god, this selfish god not listening to them, and they die without ever having their prayers answered. No hope. 

The reason I first stopped believing in god was for moral reasons. The science came later. At first, I thought that even if he was real, I wouldn’t follow him BECAUSE of the horrible deeds done in his name. BECAUSE of the intolerance and bigotry. I believe these reasons to be far more important than the lack of physical evidence.

So thank goodness there is no scientific evidence for god. Thank goodness. But even if he was real, there still wouldn’t be a valid reason to follow him unless you want to subject yourself to his will and become completely intolerant of those want to live their own lives. Our consciences should tell us that it is immoral to do so. What we can all agree to is the universal truth of doing no harm to others. And to help those who are in need. To love. Everyone wants that. We don’t need a god to tell us this. We already know that. After that, devise your own virtues. Everyone is different after all. 

If you say that the ONLY reason you’re not a bible thumping god fanatic is lack of scientific evidence, then i would question your moral judgments.

You have to admit, it’s a pretty substantial reason to not believe. This is like saying

“The only reason you don’t believe in unicorns is because of the lack of evidence? I now think less of you.”

When I was writing this, I was directing this at people who were formerly religious and say that they would gladly go back to being … idk… God’s devoted bible fanatic if he only existed. Even if he did exist, there’s still no reason to be his “slave” and shove intolerance down other peoples’ throats because well… it’s still immoral. That’s not love. If an evil god existed and had so much power and required impossible tasks of me, I still don’t think I would follow him for the sake of his existence. That’s what I’m saying. You don’t believe in him because he doesn’t exist… and you STILL shouldn’t revert back to religion even if he DID exist. Agnostic/Atheists post a lot of things about how sadistic & immoral this god seems to be & some have claimed they would still follow his every will if there was just evidence of his existence. That’s fucking retarded. I’m sorry. :\

And I don’t think unicorns would demand total surrender to their will either.

Okay, so here’s what I have to say about this.

My belief or disbelief in the existence or truth of something is still rooted in scientific reason - if it is supported scientifically, doesn’t contradict mathematics and what is possible in the construct of the cosmos, and is internally consistent, then it is something that I would say I believe was true.

If we lived in a universe/multiverse that somehow, someway had a God as described in the Old Testament, then that God is also capable of being reasoned with. Example: Moses interceding with God to avoid his destruction/wrath being carried out on the Israelites. I would not worship a God like this; I think I would invest my time and will in reasoning with this God and trying to influence God’s will in a way that might convince him to intercede and prevent suffering, increase peace and love, etc.